Saturday, March 23, 2013

Is the Biblical Jesus Christ a Saved Being?

In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints scriptures, there use to be writings within in the Doctrine and Covenants called "Lectures on Faith". First published in 1835 as the Doctrine portion of the Doctrine and Covenants. They were quietly removed in the 1921 edition of their revised Scriptures after 86 years. In these writings are some disturbing, un biblical teachings. What I want to bring up is found in Article 7:9 (Below, bold and underlining mine) 

"9 As all the visible creation is an effect of faith, so is salvation, also. (We mean salvation in its most extensive latitude of interpretation, whether it is tempo-
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ral or spiritual.) In order to have this subject clearly set before the mind, let us ask what situation must a person be in, in order to be saved? or what is the difference between a saved man and one who is not saved? We answer from what we have before seen of the heavenly worlds, they must be persons who can work by faith, and who are able, by faith to be ministering spirits to them who shall be heirs of salvation. And they must have faith to enable them to act in the presence of the Lord, otherwise they cannot be saved. And what constitutes the real difference between a saved person and one not saved, is the difference in the degree of their faith: one's faith has become perfect enough to lay hold upon eternal life, and the other's has not. But to be a little more particular, let us ask, where shall we find a prototype into whose likeness we may be assimulated, in order that we may be made partakers of life and salvation? or in other words, where shall we find a saved being? for if we can find a saved being, we may ascertain, without much difficulty, what all others must be, in order to be saved - they must be like that individual or they cannot be saved: we think, that it will not be a matter of dispute, that two beings, who are unlike each other, cannot both be saved; for whatever constitutes the salvation of one, will constitute the salvation of every creature which will be saved: and if we find one saved being in all existence, we may see what all others must be, or else not be saved. We ask, then, where is the prototype? or where is the saved being? We conclude as to the answer of this question there will be no dispute among those who believe the bible, that it is Christ: all will agree in this that he is the prototype or standard of salvation, or in other words, that he is a saved being. And if we should continue our interogation, and ask how it is that he is saved, the answer would be, because he is
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a just and holy being; and if he were any thing different from what he is he would not be saved; for his salvation depends on his being precisely what he is and nothing else; for if it were possible for him to change in the least degree, so sure he would fail of salvation and lose all his dominion, power, authority and glory, which constitutes salvation; for salvation consists in the glory, authority, majesty, power and dominion which Jehovah possesses, and in nothing else; and no being can possess it but himself or one like him: Thus says John, in his first epistle, 3:2 and 3: Behold, now we are the sons of God, and it doth not appear what we shall be; but we know, that when he shall appear we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And any man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.--Why purify himself as he is pure? because, if they do not they cannot be like him."

This puts into motion a whole domino effect of questions concerning this.
1. If Jesus is saved, who "saved" him?
2. If Jesus was in need of "salvation", that would mean he sinned, would it not?
3. Can a person who sinned, then become sin and still be our Savior? 
4. Was Jesus on another planet, living a life like we are now, needing a Savior at some other point in time?
5. The whole "Progressing to Godhood" would that mean that he has a resurrected body now since he was already on another "Earth"?
6. If he was on another planet at another time, how could he put the Resurrected body down, he once had, and be born yet again into another body here on this earth? (Reincarnation)

Is your head spinning yet? Where does that leave room for the simplicity of the Gospel. The gospel is simple. 

Matthew 18:1-4
1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus is NOT a "Saved" being according to the Bible. The Biblical Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man. 

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."  

John 20:28 Thomas said to him [Jesus], “My Lord and my God!”

Let's look at Philippians
Philippians 2:5-8 

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:  
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross

 Verse 6 says Jesus existed in the “form of God.”The word form (Greek “morphe”) means “nature.” Nature is the essential attributes or characteristics of a living being or thing. Paul is stating here that Jesus is fully God; He has the nature of God. Then in verse 7 he writes that Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"   or  emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant and being made in the likeness of men. Again we see the same Greek word “morphe” for form used to say Jesus took on the nature of a human. Jesus had 2 natures, fully God and fully man but was one person.

Jesus Himself stated he is God. John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." The utterance is a remarkable one. It does not merely assert that he was before Abraham, but before Abraham was, I AM. It identifies with the I AM of the Old Testament. Divinity has no past tense, no future tense, but always the present.

Cross reference with Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

The Late Prophet of the LDS Church, Gordon Hinckley, started, himself, that he doesn't worship the "Traditional" Jesus Christ, but a different one. 

I dare say the Mormon Jesus and the Biblical Jesus Christ are not the Same Jesus. You have been warned in the Bible for False Christs.  Are you following a false Jesus who can't save?
Matthew 24:24. 
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." 

 The Gospel is simple.  It's man, and their man made religions that make it complicated.


Who is the head of the "Church"?

You have a choice. Who will you put your full trust in? 

Who is the head of the Church?

The Doctrine and Covenants says Joseph Smith is head of the church.

(Doctrine and Covenants 28:2-6)
But, behold, verily, verily, I say unto thee, no one shall be appointed to receive commandments and revelations in this church excepting my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., for he receiveth them even as Moses.
 And thou shalt be obedient unto the things which I shall give unto him, even as Aaron, to declare faithfully the commandments and the revelations, with power and authority unto the church.
 And if thou art led at any time by the Comforter to speak or teach, or at all times by the way of commandment unto the church, thou mayest do it.
 But thou shalt not write by way of commandment, but by wisdom;
 And thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the church;

The Bible says that Jesus is the head of the church.  

Col 1:18
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Is Jesus Christ the Head of the Church as the Bible states, or is Joseph Smith as the D&C states? They can't both be right. Who will you put your trust in? Jesus or Joseph?

Jesus Christ/Joseph Smith

Monday, March 4, 2013

LDS Scriptural "Revisions"

Is it important for you to only be exposed to happy positive things in your media and reading material? Do you approve of your Church/Corporation (ie.. LDS Church, KSL, KBYU, Deseret News and all the things the church owns) censoring your Media? Do you believe everything you're told to think by your church? Then I guess you're happy wearing your rose colored glasses and have been wearing them to long to feel comfortable taking them off to see what real truth is. If you want to see an example go to and search out articles about the New Scriptural Changes and read the comments. Then go to Salt Lake Tribune. Search out articles about the New Scriptural Changes and read those comments. Many of my friends and family have tried posting, as well as myself, on only to have our comments censored and not ever added to the replies.

Some say the Bible has been corrupted and many plain and precious things have been removed. What about your Books? Has your Book of Mormon been Changed? Have "many plain and precious things" been removed or added? Is the information you're being given, by those you are putting your complete trust in, "transparent" on the matter?

I've spent the last few days with my Copyright 1979 LDS Bible and my husbands 1981 Copyright Triple combination, comparing things with the online material provided by the site and the Online LDS scriptures. Some say they have only changed some spelling and punctuation... NOT so!! You have your Scriptures in your home. If you believe you can take some of the Bible for face value then I urge you to read 1 Thessalonians 5:21. It's one sentence, then apply it.  Are you trusting your leaders without applying this scripture?

(I'm not going to supply links. The information is there for you to search out for yourself. I will not do your homework for you. I will ask, how important is your Church History to you?)

We are all familiar with the political banter with Obama.. "Hows that 'change' working for you?" Well I ask you.. How are the changes working for you?  It wasn't okay for the "monks" and/or "Catholic priests".. (Who was it that made the supposed changes?) to make changes to the Bible, removing and adding to it, but it is okay for your church to make changes to the "most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”~Joseph Smith. (History of the Church, 4:461) What's the difference? Double standard?